we think the holiday season is going to be competitive, we think we're still in a competitive retail environment and economic factors are making things somewhat difficult for our customers and that's why we're getting to those numbers. the stock had come in and it's going to again today. >> a lot of investors are thinking that this gigantic move and pull back appropriately to some average and was ready to blast off. look, you've got target nipping, you've got dollar tree reporting good numbers today. walmart had a great move. and now its great move i think has run its course. >> an amazing chart, if you go back to walmart stocks, the dip in the stock, it was the bryberry bottom for this quarter. i don't know if we're setting up for something better than anticipation but the head of u.s. walmart said november sales started ahead of plans. and they have got some extra sales thanks to lay away which has been a very popular program for retailers of late. >> we used to get monthly comps from all these retailers. >> those were the old days. >> i think the problem with wam mart, frankly is, the stock w